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Re: “Graffiti wars

does anyone know "vomet"s real name?

Posted by atl911n58 on 02/23/2011 at 9:39 AM

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Its a proven fact give a tagger a wall and call it free space he will not keep it on just that wall . The crap jumps off on phone poles and private property look at the wall that runs up Wylie the crap seems to jump off the wall .So the free space never worked here and other cities . Tagger's get a thrill of knowing they are breaking the law and costing tax payers millions of dollars here in the city of Atlanta . Most of the tagger's cannot draw and don't know what art work is in the first place . As for Krog St tunnel soon it will be painted over and who all come to tag in the tunnel will be paying a heavy price ..... you will have to pay a heavy fine and you will do time in jail then when you get out of jail you will be cleaning your friends tags ......
PS did you hear about the tagger who got 24 years in prison ? Well its true ......

Posted by HANGMAN HANGMAN on 08/17/2010 at 5:13 PM

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wait did "on patroll" think this said vomet, or were you just adding that thought?

and you didnt read the end of that sentence did you? "I much prefer seeing hookers and drug dealers with a beautiful back drop of color."...as in theyre already in this city, why not atleast make a pretty background for the shit part of the city.

Posted by oops. on 07/12/2010 at 7:31 PM

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As a street artist and a showing artist in this great city i can tell you that most of the people you are railing about are the same. If you go to art shows i bet you will meet them and not even know it. We do live in the city, and the work that comes from the burbs is horrible (it's because they don't like culture there, it's not there fault).

Posted by e.marston on 06/30/2010 at 2:10 AM

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Here's a related question: Why does all graffiti art have the same look/style? You never see someone re-create the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel or something, all you ever see is amorphous, impossible to read letters that say something like "BAWLERZ" in letters three feet high. Like all artists, if they want to have more mainstream respect than maybe they should think about producing something that people don't associate with urban blight, overgrown abandoned buildings, etc.

Posted by Dhough on 06/29/2010 at 1:37 PM

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There is a difference between street art and vandalism. Just because someone paints their name in 12' high letters (Hense/Born/Toesucker/etc) on a wall does not make it art. If those 'tags' are on private building, without permission it is vandalism. Tagging is territory marking, and is fair game in the tagging world to get retagged. Graffiti artists tend to have more respect for established art, such as the Watershed Mural or other large artistic expressions even on unauthorized walls. The dilemma we have in Atlanta is: what is vandalism and what is art? What surfaces are fair game and what should be respected 'as is.' Is it really art to tag those large stone walls on Moreland Ave. south of Little Five Points? My opinion, No! It shows a high disrespect for public structures and the art of masonry. Moving on to Krog Street Bridge.. Here is a rotating show of skilled art, bad tagging, and shameless promotion. The neighborhood obviously embraces this structure as an open canvas. Unfortunately the rest of Dekalb Ave (Graffiti Alley) is fighting tags that vandalize private property and public retaining walls and the MARTA track columns. Then we have what I call 'prefab graffiti', those annoying plastic signs that popup on utility poles and along the public right of ways, such as greenspaces, all over town. The signs are pimping such questionable businesses as $99 carpet cleaning, work from home, affordable insurance and various mortgage scams. These signs are against state, county, and city ordinances, yet no one enforces it. Perhaps that is why our good politicians break these same laws in a year round campaign cycle. Our aspiring public servants are just as guilty as taggers when it comes to illegally defiling our public spaces. Even when they know they are breaking the law, they claim they have a 'right to get their message out', and therefore they can illegally clutter our greenspaces for over a year. I find these signs just as offensive as tagging. Amidst so much clutter it is hard to see the 'Art.’

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Posted by No_Street_Spam on 06/16/2010 at 3:01 PM

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. I generally tend to view graffiti as creatively enhancing what are otherwise commonly utilitarian city landscapes. However, isn’t an integral element of graffiti the possible impermanence? I agree with someone else’s response to this debate- if you want your work perpetually preserved, put it in a gallery, or at least in a legal location. It's a shame this "minor art world scuffle" has taken the spotlight from the central fact of what Refugee Services is and does. This article trivializes the work put in by the children who designed the mural and the volunteers who put their time in helping make it a reality. It is biased and offers no insight into the people behind the work. In fact, this article strikes me as nothing more than a well meaning, innocuous attempt to score brownie points with street art “royalty.” Oh, and if there are any would be defacers of supported public artwork reading this, try to hold off. From what I hear, some of the kids haven’t had a chance to see the finished product yet.

Posted by B crawford on 06/15/2010 at 4:22 PM

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I much prefer seeing hookers and drug dealers ....actually I disagree, more people shouldn't think like you.

this piece sucks, seen way better by blood and fire and since you didn't add the flower mural being put in its place i can't compare. If it looks like crap cover it up, they know its illegal so stop crying for them. no symbols or illegibles...try pictures of shit and maybe it will survive. Vomit, stop writing your damn name everywhere. you pretty good with the tips but your name over and over is not art.

Posted by On Patroll on 06/11/2010 at 9:28 PM

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Midtowner,

I'm just about the same age as you and an EMT/Fire Fighter. I help make this city better every third day. I also volunteer on my off time. So when you said you helped create this city when I was in diapers... um... you were 3. So did you help create the high crime rates, homeless problem, or pollution? Really... what did you help create?

Whether you're black or not your comments were racially bias! I don't know why you had to throw your sexual preference into it... as if that has anything to do with graffiti, or anything else for that matter.

The list of people who built Atlanta into the artistic and highly cultural mecca (and I don't mean the Mecca Jeans you probably hate too) does not include you. I don't see tourists taking pictures in yuppie high rise areas of Midtown. They are taking pictures in Cabbagetown, Reynoldstown, Old 4th Ward, and all over Ponce. What are they taking pictures of...? Culture! Culture created by: graffiti, Hip-Hop (and any of Atlanta's other great bands and musicians), record producers who bring in millions of dollars a year, and yes... even clothes which Atlanta has a wide variety of. By covering up what Atlanta is and replacing it by what people think it needs to be... destroys it's heart and soul.

When I'm riding that Beltline, when it finally does happen, I want to ride through Atlanta. I want to see my local artists, I want to here my local music, and I want to feel a part of the city. Making Atlanta any other way would be robbing use of our home.

Am I ignorant... Yes. I would like to call it self inflicted ignorance. I try to forget that people still think like you. Am I arrogant... Hell Yes! More people should think like me.

Posted by Anonymous on 06/08/2010 at 2:42 PM

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We appreciate the complexity of this issue and that this article is creating a discourse about public spaces in Atlanta. One of the reasons we chose to work with the BeltLine project is that we viewed it as a means toward greater integration between the refugee communities and the greater Atlanta community. Our intention is to provide an opportunity for those who have been dispossessed from their own countries and often denied a voice a chance to participate in the spaces of their new community. We did not have any intention of disrespecting the work of or silencing the voices of graffiti artists; we value the contributions of street artists to urban spaces and the vibrancy of our community. Rather, we wanted to provide an opportunity for collaboration between various peoples and view points and appreciate all voices.

Thank you,
Megan Dunkelberg and Karen Cleveland

Posted by Anonymous on 06/08/2010 at 2:20 PM

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Wow kickback 911, you come across as a real great addition to the community. I am sick and tired of your entitlement. What have you worked for? What are you doing to make this a better community FOR ALL? And how funny that you would accuse me of racism when I am a 37 year old African American gay man living in Midtown. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance.

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/08/2010 at 1:54 PM

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Midtowner,

I love how you pretty much made this a racial issue without coming out and saying it, wuss. Hip Hop listening and Akoo Jeans... Seriously? I bet you can't stand low riders, hats turned sideways, and soul food.

While you were living under your lush mansion built for 20 people, or your new high rise energy sucking condo, things have moved into a modern era. You know the wheel was invented, oh and I'm sure you hate Hate HATE spinning rims too...

Pops... did you get mad at those crazy kids who did cave drawings, while you were in your prime? Art has taken many different forms. Not all graffiti is created equal, which is the only thing I'm sure we agree about. I much prefer seeing hookers and drug dealers (in a city you probably just moved back to because it's the "in" thing to do, gentrification... look it up) with a beautiful back drop of color.

Maybe Midtowner, your problem isn't with the graffiti artists... it's with our black youth. That's what you meant right? If I can get them to wear some different clothes and listen to more socially expectable music.... would it be O.K. then?

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/08/2010 at 1:29 PM

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I agree that SOME graffiti is art, but most of it is just crap. And I am sick and tired of entitled little brats telling me how to live in the community I helped create when you were in diapers. Just because you listen to hip hop, wear your Akoo jeans and act like you own the town does not mean that you do. There are more people in this city than record producers and event coordinators for clubs. Stop acting like you own everything and stop your freaking whining.

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/08/2010 at 12:09 PM

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Winston,

You sound like you would fit right in with the Iranian Moral Police: "Graf "art" makes me wish that we could implement some sharia law, and cut off the spray fingers of criminals."

Sounds like you could use a little "P*ssy Palace" yourself. Let me know where you live in Buckhead and I will be sure to drive a girl right over on my scooter.

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/08/2010 at 8:57 AM

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Graf "art" makes me wish that we could implement some sharia law, and cut off the spray fingers of criminals who feel they must express themselves on private & public property.

Bottom line: unless you have permission from a private landowner, or a commission from a govt entity, your graffiti is a crime. It. Is. That. Simple.

Move out of the city? Who the fuck gave you the keys to the city? Half of you don't live in the city anyway; You come in from the burbs trying to earn your street cred with some god awful throw-up.

If you think graffiti is so great, please post the address of whatever hovel you rent, and let me know what anti-Bush stickers you have on your scooter.

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/07/2010 at 10:47 PM

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If you don't like graffiti don't move into the city and ruin it for the rest that do. Covering graffiti up is a waste of time. Take Cabbagetown for example. The graffiti that was there was carefully blended in after years and years of masterpieces. You wouldn't notice any of the small vulgar tags or random pieces of crap. Now that the CIA... I mean CNIA...(The Cabbagetown Initiative) have taken over as creative "Moral Police" (don't they have those in Iran) we have more offensive tags. They were going to lease the spots to local artists... over a year ago. First it was the horrible green paint. Now it's the gray paint that covers everything leaving blank canvases for people that write "P*ssy Palace" with a woman's legs spread wide open right next to it. Great job CIA... I mean CNIA. We all loved the graffiti before! What's next? The Krog Tunnel...? Maybe you should tell your little yuppie kids what the P*ssy Palace is all about.

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/07/2010 at 8:51 PM

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Paper Twins are street royalty now???! Sorry, it takes more than a couple wheatpastes to deserve mention alongside HENSE and BORN.

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/07/2010 at 5:55 PM

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born was ahead of his time! It will be soon taken back by some one...

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/07/2010 at 5:52 PM

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Full disclosure, I'm no artist. That being said, I'd take the free style street art I admire around town over planned pieces any day.

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Posted by Anonymous on 06/07/2010 at 3:25 PM

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