Yeah this is a head-scratcher but it kind of made my day.
so palin graduated from moscow, idaho's finest institute of higher learning?
a partial explanation for why she wanted to be able to see russia from alaska - she just missed her hard partying days in moscow?
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"carter's problem is that the man is a saint."
That my be Carter's self-perception and yours. To me, he was an dithering, unsure, self-righteous bedwetter completely out of his league.
If Iran becomes the major problem to the US as I fear it will, Carter will share part of the blame for his capitulation to the Ayatollah and mullahs.
It's thrilling to see Broch bend over backwards to defend the academic pedigree of GWB and Palin while no doubt being one of the many who decried Obama's education as "elite" and "east coast" and proof of his inadequacy to lead.
It's sad. Your arguments are very poor. The world continues to pass you by at an increasing pace.
"No revisionism, just facts."
"Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine"
During this tour "he also qualified: 'Command of Submarine.'"
Carter was a " lieutenant and was in training on shore."
Carter served as a senior officer aboard the USS Pomfret and USS K1.
"Carter... dropped out of Georgia Southwestern College"
Carter transferred to Georgia Tech
"As far as Bush... he earned his degrees."
Bush barely graduated with a 2.35 gpa and by all accounts in a drunken stupor.
Carter "had to take remedial mathematics courses at Tech"
There never has been remedial mathematics courses offered at Tech.
Reagan and Palin's "Eureka College and the University of Iowa (sic) are academically strong institutions"
Eureka ranks 32nd out of Midwestern regional colleges. After bouncing around to five different schools in six years Palin graduated from the University of Idaho which ranks 88th of public schools.
"I see nothing to back up your claim that Carter is an intellectual giant compared to [Reagan, Bush and Palin]"
Reagan majored in sociology at a low-level liberal arts college and "did just well enough at Eureka College to keep his football scholarship" while Palin got her journalism degree from a mediocre university and refused to release her gpa (her Wasilla High School gpa was 2.2). Carter graduated in the top 7% from one of the nation's most rigorous military academies with a strong emphasis in engineering and physics.
"I see nothing..."
The first step in historic revisionism is blinding one's own self to reality.
carter's problem is that the man is a saint. saints don't make good presidents. assholes do. he simply wasn't able to bull his way, wheel and deal, and bargain like reagan was. it has nothing to do with his importance as a person; indeed, had he taken the same actions he did after his presidency without ever having been elected president, he would still widely be regarded as one of the world's greatest philanthropists.
"Eureka College and the University of Iowa are academically strong institutions, despite your disdain. Eureka College ranks #32 in the 2014 edition of Best Regional Colleges (Midwest). University of Idaho ranks #88 in Public National Universities."
Eureka ranks 32nd out of Midwestern regional colleges and University of Idaho ranks 88th out of public universities and you are comparing them to the Naval Academy in terms of academic rigor?
I'm sorry Broch, but it is getting harder and harder to take you seriously.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Broch, you keep throwing around facts without doing any real research. Yes, Carter was a Lt., but as someone who graduated in the top 10% at Annapolis he was on the fast track to command."
You post your emotional rants prepared with no research, I do the research and call out your more outrageous claims, and then you scramble to find something to back up your claim. That's the way it seems to work.
Carter graduated 59th in a class of 820, so he certainly was at the top of his class. But he should have done well since he was two years older than most of his classmates and had two years of college under his belt before entering USNA. He was bright and certainly on command track, but there were a lot of bright young men in the US Navy after WWII. His career accelerated when he became an acolyte of Hyman Rickover. As far as the course you mentioned, that was required of all officers who would be standing watch. Notice that the submarine's skipper was a lieutenant commander - two ranks ahead of Carter. Taking this required course qualified him to advance farther toward eventual command, but he had years of future training and two more promotions ahead before the Navy would have "given him the keys to a submarine", as you put it.
"To compare his academic and naval career to Reagan, Bush and Palin is a pathetic exercise in historic revisionism that does not do you justice."
No revisionism, just facts. See previous post.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Remedial math at Tech is beginning calculus."
Calculus was not required for admission to USNA in 1943 when Carter entered. It was not required at Tech in 1943, and it was not required at Tech in the mid 1960s when I entered. Even MIT required only algebra, plane and solid geometry, and trigonometry in 1943.
"EC and UI are jokes and Bush slid through Yale and Harvard as the legacy of a multimillionaire alumnus"
Wrong yet again.
Eureka College and the University of Iowa are academically strong institutions, despite your disdain. Eureka College ranks #32 in the 2014 edition of Best Regional Colleges (Midwest). University of Idaho ranks #88 in Public National Universities. USNA ranks #12 in National Liberal Arts Colleges. As far as Bush, no doubt he got preferential treatment in entering Yale and Harvard but, once entered, he earned his degrees.
"Once again, you are mistaken. Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine."
Broch, you keep throwing around facts without doing any real research. Yes, Carter was a Lt., but as someone who graduated in the top 10% at Annapolis he was on the fast track to command and indeed had met the qualifications:
"After K-1's commissioning on 10 November 1951, with LCDR Frank Andrews as its skipper, Carter served as Executive Officer, Engineering Officer, Operations Officer, Gunnery Officer and Electronics Repair Officer. During this tour he also qualified: 'Command of Submarine.'"
To compare his academic and naval career to Reagan, Bush and Palin is a pathetic exercise in historic revisionism that does not do you justice.
"Carter graduated high school, dropped out of Georgia Southwestern College, and had to take remedial mathematics courses at Tech before he could enter the Naval Academy, from which he graduated. Reagan graduated high school and graduated from Eureka College. George W Bush graduated high school, graduated from Yale University and graduated from Harvard with an MBA. Sarah Palin graduated high school and graduated from University of Idaho"
I am not sure if you were trying to be funny, but I still got a good belly laugh from your post, especially the part about "remedial mathematics courses at Tech." Do a little research, buddy. Remedial math at Tech is beginning calculus.
EC and UI are jokes and Bush slid through Yale and Harvard as the legacy of a multimillionaire alumnus. If you don't know what that means as far as the academic rigor he faced, well you may be a bit out of your (ivy) league on this topic my friend.
I miss Stefan's Vintage Clothing!
"I think an important consideration that is missing from this article is that the culture of my neighborhood is not oriented toward financial advancement"
Why the fuck would an article with quantifiable metrics regarding policy include platitudes about "culture?" I don't think comic relief is appropriate for serious research. You're free to write your own article and include all the moronic anecdotes you'd like, though.
" canned because there are plenty of college grads working for minimum wage who would love to make $15 an hour."
And then wages for college grads will have to go above $15 an hour as the pool of good college grads has an alternative career path.
Bottom line raising the minimum wage to $15 will have a ripple effect raising middle class wages.
But hey perhaps $15 is a bargaining point. If our minimum wage had been tied to inflation it would be between $10 and $15 now depending on how one calculates it.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"I should have "qualified" my statement by writing that Carter was deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine."
Once again, you are mistaken. Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine. When Carter resigned he had been a lieutenant for one year. The minimum rank for submarine command was commander, two ranks above lieutenant. Had he stayed in the Navy it would have been been years before he would have reached that rank.
"But hopefully you get my point - compared to Reagan, Bush and Palin he is an intellectual giant."
This is the first you've stated about this point, but let's examine it. Carter graduated high school, dropped out of Georgia Southwestern College, and had to take remedial mathematics courses at Tech before he could enter the Naval Academy, from which he graduated. Reagan graduated high school and graduated from Eureka College. George W Bush graduated high school, graduated from Yale University and graduated from Harvard with an MBA. Sarah Palin graduated high school and graduated from University of Idaho. So, all are high school graduates, all are university graduates, and Bush alone has a master's degree. I see nothing to back up your claim that Carter is an intellectual giant compared to the others, unless being a Democratic politician automatically makes one an intellectual giant like Joe Biden.
Tater Salad - Rappin Rodney is in charge of all things black at CL - so by default his story has to do with black people - art - rap - clothes - etc
Well its not like its going to have the #7 IRT Flushing line.
Seriously though, am I missing something Thomas? Or do you often twit out randomly matched questions to "celebrities". Guess I need to use my twitter account.
I'm glad these guys are getting their deserved hype but seriously.... 'Is art the new rap'? Does this comparison only exist because these artists are black? Would you use the same headline if the artists were white, or use some other stupid analogy (e.g. 'Is art the new punk?').
Give these guys their credit, but don't do what so many others are doing in Atlanta by trying to categorize them under "Urban" art... Just... don't... It's great art. It's not black art or white art or yellow art... It's just good art.
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