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Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

I am going to designate potholes as street art because apparently this is the only way to get the city to pay attention to them.

Just like Zed said, our issues are so numerous, profound and severe that our local officials would rather focus on the easy things like censorship of those things that are trying to make our city a little different than generic looking suburbs.

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Posted by A girl with a big left foot on 04/16/2014 at 3:59 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

"The average two child household making 55,000 kronor (US$8380) per month pays 69% of income in taxes."
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Thanks for providing the link. If you read through the article you will find that the taxes include those paid by the employer and also consumption taxes. So, in actuality the employer taxes do not come out of the household's $8,380 paycheck. Nor does the consumption tax - that would depend on the level of consumption of the household. The 69% also includes municipal taxes, which may include property taxes. From the article:

"Taxes visible in our paychecks are one thing, but when you include taxes on consumption and payroll taxes, taxes end up being three times as high"

So, if the paycheck tax is only 1/3 of 69% that would put it closer to that of ours at the $8,380 income per month level. If you consider all the benefits I previously listed compared to the benefits we receive from our paycheck taxes, you can see why the Swedes overwhelmingly prefer their system (as would any thinking person).

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 04/16/2014 at 1:20 PM

Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

From the city that brought you "tearing up MLK for a stadium mere weeks after promising to make it a street worthy of its namesake", "being under a federal consent decree for mixing up its sewage and its storm water", and "failing to update its zoning code to promote all that smart growth they so desperately want" come ART ORDINANCE— THE MUSICAL!

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Posted by zedsmith on 04/16/2014 at 12:42 PM

Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

I really don't know who to hate more, that ghetto ass useless moron Joyce Sheperd or the morons at that "street art" organization monopolizing southern Atlanta's walls with mostly terrible artwork that wouldn't get past the front steps of any respectable gallery/art institution if they tried. It is astonishing that a city like Atlanta doesn't have a comprehensive urban plan that most cosmopolitan cities have in order to avoid this type of shit.

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Posted by gatopussy on 04/16/2014 at 12:37 PM

Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

Way to go Joyce. I'm behind you 100%.

After you get finished with the art, head over to the library.

I hear there are some bad, bad books over there.

We could have a book and art burning before every Falcons game.

Rise up!!

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Posted by Brecko77 on 04/16/2014 at 11:51 AM

Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

But what we want is for your own good, we promise... Reminds me of a small, vocal group in Decatur pushing some initiatives right now to turn the town into their own personal HOA. These busybodies need a new hobby.

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Posted by Peter in Decatur on 04/16/2014 at 10:53 AM

Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

Here's a quote from an ArtsAtl.com article, in which Ms Sheppard very clearly states that she believes the city should regulate what goes on residential property, despite what Ms Love claims:
"Joyce Sheperd, the city council member who sponsored the legislation, said she had no plans to monitor people’s yards, but still she insisted that some art was out of bounds. “Would you want a picture of a naked woman on your street?” she asked. “The city has a right to regulate. If you decide to put an eight-foot picture of a naked woman in your yard, the city is not going to allow that.”
So don't even think about putting that reproduction of the Venus deMilo in your flower garden...

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Posted by lorigami on 04/16/2014 at 10:30 AM

Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

City council busybodies: stay away from private property art. Please remember that you work for the citizens of this city and they don't want this.

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Posted by slack on 04/16/2014 at 10:28 AM

Re: “Is City Hall turning into an HOA?

One man's trash is another's treasure. And I realize this article is more about private property. But there does seem to be a push for more public art, particularly on the beltline. I have seen some "art" installations on the unfinished piece of of the beltline in Reynoldstown. One was supposed to be a prop for a play and was a car covered in dirt and moss. The windows were smashed out and the wheels were missing. It looked like it was stolen and abandoned. The car wasn't even a cool color. A second project near there used steel shelving supports to build a tunnel structure over the train tracks. Plastic stretch wrap was then used to cover parts of the steel frame. Within a few day it looked even worse because the plastic isn't made to be outside and quickly goes from clear to opaque. Both of these "art projects" looked like crap immediately and only got worse as they aged. It also took months to clean them up. All this money to clean up those tracks and clear them out, only to haul in trash in the name of art.

So feel free to express yourself, but if you suck, I'm not gonna pretend you have skills.

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Posted by RepYoHood.Kirkwood on 04/16/2014 at 9:02 AM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

@ Mark from Atlanta
1. http://www.thelocal.se/20121018/43900
2. There is a place I'd rather live as well, but my spouse, children and grandchildren wouldn't like it, so I live here and visit the place I'd rather live.

@ Voxpopuli
I wasn't suggesting Mark move.

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Posted by Burroughston Broch on 04/16/2014 at 6:27 AM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

"Above from a 2012 survey by Swedbank."
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1. Link please.

2. Yes, if I could take my relatives and friends and if half the country were not in the Arctic Circle!

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 04/15/2014 at 11:25 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

@BB
From most measures; the average person living in Sweden has a higher life expectancy, better standard of living, and is 'happier' than the average American.
The 'love it or leave it' argument never made sense to me. If I lived in Stockholm with the same quality of life and friendships I've built over the years I'd probably not want be packing my bags for Atlanta either.
(Then again do they even have a RHOS to watch there?)

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Posted by Voxpopuli on 04/15/2014 at 10:51 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

@ Mark from Atlanta
The average Swedish municipal worker making 25,000 kronor (US$3,810) per month pays 69% of his income in taxes.
The average two child household making 55,000 kronor (US$8380) per month pays 69% of income in taxes.
Above from a 2012 survey by Swedbank.

Interested in moving to Sweden?

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Posted by Burroughston Broch on 04/15/2014 at 10:40 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

"The typical Swedish worker receives only 40% of his income after the tax wedge"
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They only pay that much in taxes? I would have thought they would pay much more considering the government benefits they receive:

Basically free healthcare and dental care in one of the most advanced medical systems in the world.

Parental paid leave (480 days per child) There is additional paid leave if the child is disabled or seriously ill.

Unemployment benefits based on 80% of the previous income level.

The cities are kept much cleaner than here.

A justice system that invests in rehabilitation rather than punishment so their incarceration rate is less than one-tenth that of the U.S.

To ride public transportation is about half what it costs here and the system is much more extensive, frequent and reliable.

Guaranteed state pension and you can retire as early as age 55.

Essentially free college tuition to some of the best universities in Europe. Ever wondered why you rarely see foreign students from Scandinavian countries at our universities? There they have little to no student debt. Now you know!

Compare all that to what you get for your taxes here.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 04/15/2014 at 6:41 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

Can we at least agree that it is both sides at fault?
For all intents and purposes a noteworthy percentage of both the very wealthy and the poor take advantage of their situations in morally suspect, (if not blatantly illegal), ways.

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Posted by Voxpopuli on 04/15/2014 at 5:42 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

"Norway and Sweden are doing just fine"

The typical Swedish worker receives only 40% of his income after the tax wedge, oh wonderful! (see Wikipedia) However, they have a great manufacturing export economy, and very low unemployment. This model is not sustainable in the US.

Again, there is only one way out of the poverty cycle, and that is to bring good paying manufacturing jobs back to the US. Lifting up the poor with good jobs is the answer, not tearing down the successful!

All the effort spent arguing with Mark is a waste of good energy that could be put to a more productive use.

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Posted by Jvoice on 04/15/2014 at 5:31 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

Did you really mean to write those three sentences in the same post? Do you not see the inherent contradiction? Do your rules apply to others, but not yourself?

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Challenged you because you're judging others. What you do, or don't do, is definitely none of my business. But you can't call out others (the so-called rich) to do more if you aren't willing to do more yourself.

I'm also guessing you long ago decided you personally do more than enough to help the poor. Hence your crusade to persuade others to do more as well ... time that likely could be better spent helping the poor than pontificating on an online forum.

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Posted by Architect44 on 04/15/2014 at 2:41 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

Don't let your search for perfection cloud your appreciation for the merely good.

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Merely good I could appreciate ... but horribly mis-managed I can't. You have your opinion about the effectiveness of our govt and how they run social programs, and I have mine. Our perspectives obviously don't align.

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Posted by Architect44 on 04/15/2014 at 2:32 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

You have absolutely no idea what I do, so you just make things up. I guess stereotyping the messenger helps you to avoid considering the message.

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@Mark from Atlanta

And you don't stereotype? That would be hypocritical and you wouldn't do that, right?

I was playing off your "I pay taxes ..." comment. You're correct, I have no idea what you ... nor do you know what I do. But your comments certainly lead one to believe you have blind faith in our inefficient govt and are willing to toss your $$ into a black hole hoping it actually makes it to those truly in need. While I commend you desire to help others, you have no right to expect others to do the same. Additional kudos if you take action do more to help the poor than just pay taxes. Either way, that's your personal choice and your's alone.

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Posted by Architect44 on 04/15/2014 at 2:29 PM

Re: “Everyone's to blame for income inequality

"Mark, my good man, I look forward to hearing your comments concerning the the newly superintendent of APS and the $400K+ in salary and benefits she is receiving."
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Vox - if you are implying that $400K+ is outrageous compensation for a public servant I agree 100%. When the public sector began offering such salaries the excuse was that they had to compete with the private sector for available talent. In today's economy that notion is outdated. There are plenty of smart, talented people such as yourself who would probably take that position for half that much and certainly do a better job than their predecessors!

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 04/15/2014 at 11:25 AM

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