so palin graduated from moscow, idaho's finest institute of higher learning?
a partial explanation for why she wanted to be able to see russia from alaska - she just missed her hard partying days in moscow?
"carter's problem is that the man is a saint."
That my be Carter's self-perception and yours. To me, he was an dithering, unsure, self-righteous bedwetter completely out of his league.
If Iran becomes the major problem to the US as I fear it will, Carter will share part of the blame for his capitulation to the Ayatollah and mullahs.
It's thrilling to see Broch bend over backwards to defend the academic pedigree of GWB and Palin while no doubt being one of the many who decried Obama's education as "elite" and "east coast" and proof of his inadequacy to lead.
It's sad. Your arguments are very poor. The world continues to pass you by at an increasing pace.
"No revisionism, just facts."
"Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine"
During this tour "he also qualified: 'Command of Submarine.'"
Carter was a " lieutenant and was in training on shore."
Carter served as a senior officer aboard the USS Pomfret and USS K1.
"Carter... dropped out of Georgia Southwestern College"
Carter transferred to Georgia Tech
"As far as Bush... he earned his degrees."
Bush barely graduated with a 2.35 gpa and by all accounts in a drunken stupor.
Carter "had to take remedial mathematics courses at Tech"
There never has been remedial mathematics courses offered at Tech.
Reagan and Palin's "Eureka College and the University of Iowa (sic) are academically strong institutions"
Eureka ranks 32nd out of Midwestern regional colleges. After bouncing around to five different schools in six years Palin graduated from the University of Idaho which ranks 88th of public schools.
"I see nothing to back up your claim that Carter is an intellectual giant compared to [Reagan, Bush and Palin]"
Reagan majored in sociology at a low-level liberal arts college and "did just well enough at Eureka College to keep his football scholarship" while Palin got her journalism degree from a mediocre university and refused to release her gpa (her Wasilla High School gpa was 2.2). Carter graduated in the top 7% from one of the nation's most rigorous military academies with a strong emphasis in engineering and physics.
"I see nothing..."
The first step in historic revisionism is blinding one's own self to reality.
carter's problem is that the man is a saint. saints don't make good presidents. assholes do. he simply wasn't able to bull his way, wheel and deal, and bargain like reagan was. it has nothing to do with his importance as a person; indeed, had he taken the same actions he did after his presidency without ever having been elected president, he would still widely be regarded as one of the world's greatest philanthropists.
"Eureka College and the University of Iowa are academically strong institutions, despite your disdain. Eureka College ranks #32 in the 2014 edition of Best Regional Colleges (Midwest). University of Idaho ranks #88 in Public National Universities."
Eureka ranks 32nd out of Midwestern regional colleges and University of Idaho ranks 88th out of public universities and you are comparing them to the Naval Academy in terms of academic rigor?
I'm sorry Broch, but it is getting harder and harder to take you seriously.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Broch, you keep throwing around facts without doing any real research. Yes, Carter was a Lt., but as someone who graduated in the top 10% at Annapolis he was on the fast track to command."
You post your emotional rants prepared with no research, I do the research and call out your more outrageous claims, and then you scramble to find something to back up your claim. That's the way it seems to work.
Carter graduated 59th in a class of 820, so he certainly was at the top of his class. But he should have done well since he was two years older than most of his classmates and had two years of college under his belt before entering USNA. He was bright and certainly on command track, but there were a lot of bright young men in the US Navy after WWII. His career accelerated when he became an acolyte of Hyman Rickover. As far as the course you mentioned, that was required of all officers who would be standing watch. Notice that the submarine's skipper was a lieutenant commander - two ranks ahead of Carter. Taking this required course qualified him to advance farther toward eventual command, but he had years of future training and two more promotions ahead before the Navy would have "given him the keys to a submarine", as you put it.
"To compare his academic and naval career to Reagan, Bush and Palin is a pathetic exercise in historic revisionism that does not do you justice."
No revisionism, just facts. See previous post.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Remedial math at Tech is beginning calculus."
Calculus was not required for admission to USNA in 1943 when Carter entered. It was not required at Tech in 1943, and it was not required at Tech in the mid 1960s when I entered. Even MIT required only algebra, plane and solid geometry, and trigonometry in 1943.
"EC and UI are jokes and Bush slid through Yale and Harvard as the legacy of a multimillionaire alumnus"
Wrong yet again.
Eureka College and the University of Iowa are academically strong institutions, despite your disdain. Eureka College ranks #32 in the 2014 edition of Best Regional Colleges (Midwest). University of Idaho ranks #88 in Public National Universities. USNA ranks #12 in National Liberal Arts Colleges. As far as Bush, no doubt he got preferential treatment in entering Yale and Harvard but, once entered, he earned his degrees.
"Once again, you are mistaken. Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine."
Broch, you keep throwing around facts without doing any real research. Yes, Carter was a Lt., but as someone who graduated in the top 10% at Annapolis he was on the fast track to command and indeed had met the qualifications:
"After K-1's commissioning on 10 November 1951, with LCDR Frank Andrews as its skipper, Carter served as Executive Officer, Engineering Officer, Operations Officer, Gunnery Officer and Electronics Repair Officer. During this tour he also qualified: 'Command of Submarine.'"
To compare his academic and naval career to Reagan, Bush and Palin is a pathetic exercise in historic revisionism that does not do you justice.
"Carter graduated high school, dropped out of Georgia Southwestern College, and had to take remedial mathematics courses at Tech before he could enter the Naval Academy, from which he graduated. Reagan graduated high school and graduated from Eureka College. George W Bush graduated high school, graduated from Yale University and graduated from Harvard with an MBA. Sarah Palin graduated high school and graduated from University of Idaho"
I am not sure if you were trying to be funny, but I still got a good belly laugh from your post, especially the part about "remedial mathematics courses at Tech." Do a little research, buddy. Remedial math at Tech is beginning calculus.
EC and UI are jokes and Bush slid through Yale and Harvard as the legacy of a multimillionaire alumnus. If you don't know what that means as far as the academic rigor he faced, well you may be a bit out of your (ivy) league on this topic my friend.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"I should have "qualified" my statement by writing that Carter was deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine."
Once again, you are mistaken. Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine. When Carter resigned he had been a lieutenant for one year. The minimum rank for submarine command was commander, two ranks above lieutenant. Had he stayed in the Navy it would have been been years before he would have reached that rank.
"But hopefully you get my point - compared to Reagan, Bush and Palin he is an intellectual giant."
This is the first you've stated about this point, but let's examine it. Carter graduated high school, dropped out of Georgia Southwestern College, and had to take remedial mathematics courses at Tech before he could enter the Naval Academy, from which he graduated. Reagan graduated high school and graduated from Eureka College. George W Bush graduated high school, graduated from Yale University and graduated from Harvard with an MBA. Sarah Palin graduated high school and graduated from University of Idaho. So, all are high school graduates, all are university graduates, and Bush alone has a master's degree. I see nothing to back up your claim that Carter is an intellectual giant compared to the others, unless being a Democratic politician automatically makes one an intellectual giant like Joe Biden.
My girlfriend is a vet, and in school she learned that no-kill shelters can be less humane than shelters that do euthanize animals.
The reason is that all shelters have extremely limited funding, and some no-kill shelters are unable to treat all the animals' illnesses. They also run out of space very quickly, which prevents them from rescuing new animals. So instead of potentially painless euthanasia, the less "adoptable" animals are allowed to die of their illnesses.
If the FC animal shelter is able to decrease its euthanasia rate without letting more animals die of "natural" causes, then that would be amazing, and I would hope that other shelters around here would follow.
Yes it is true that 72 shelters around the country have managed to pull off the magical 'nokill' equation.
But the poison worm at the heart of this apple is the insistence that if Greenwich Connecticut can become 'no-kill' there is no reason why Detroit or East St. Louis or South Phlly could not.
Alas, this controversy includes much emotional rhetoric and drama but little or no logic
And as anyone who attempts to inject logic or reason into the mix is summarily labeled a 'willing murderer of innocent shelter furbabies', one sees little hope for any sanity anytime soon.
Here is an interesting tidbit. In the NE there is, compared to the south, a shortage of adoptable specific-breed dogs. They come to the south to get them from rescues, or have them transported north. Spay/Neuter, a different culture of seeing animals as living things deserving of dignity, vets assisting in program, adopting a breed vs buying from a breeder, etc. - generally a more holistic approach has made a big difference in the NE. Not saying the problems have been solved, but the mindset of the population combined with new shelter/rescue approaches have gone a long way.
Don't believe me? Just in the township of Huntington, Long Island, our township of 200,000 people had invested with public/private funds in a 250K mobile vet clinic. Same month the clinic arrived 9/11 occurred. That mobile clinic went straight to the the crash site to provide free services to the rescue dogs.
The rescue where we adopted our dog routinely went (at least up to 2011) to Fulton animals services to bring dogs up to the city for adoption. When you adopted from them they would give a voucher for a free or almost free (depending on your financial circumstance) for spay/neuter from a mobile vet clinic in the city. Our Dixie was a Louisiana rescue adopted in NYC.
I hope that the good work of Lifeline can be supplemented with mobile clinics that can drive to the source, open up shop, and people can walk straight up and get spay/neuter.
Did you visit the FCAS facility while reporting this story?
You are correct, Broch. I should have "qualified" my statement by writing that Carter was deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine. But hopefully you get my point - compared to Reagan, Bush and Palin he is an intellectual giant.
>Not understand why they can't adopt a pet when their current ones are unvaccinated and unaltered, and they're actively opposed to spay/neuter.
There is research that says neutering a dog before 2 years increases their chances for tearing ligaments and being injured. I would prefer to rescue a dog, but it sucks that you can't make an educated decision about the dogs health if you want to rescue. That being said, I understand why they do it. Too many dog owners are way too irresponsible.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Call me crazy, but I really don't think the U.S. Navy would give the captain's keys for a nuclear submarine to the person you described."
As you suggested, you're crazy. Carter was no Captain - he was a Lieutenant and was in training on shore. He was in the USN nuclear program for 15 months.
From US Naval History, "When Admiral Hyman G. Rickover (then a captain) started his program to create nuclear powered submarines, Carter wanted to join the program and was interviewed by Rickover. On 1 June 1952, Carter was promoted to Lieutenant. Selected by Rickover, Carter was detached on 16 October 1952 from K-1 for duty with the U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Division of Reactor Development in Schenectady, New York. From 3 November 1952 to 1 March 1953, he served on temporary duty with the Naval Reactors Branch, U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Washington, DC to assist "in the design and development of nuclear propulsion plants for naval vessels." From 1 March to 8 October, Carter was preparing to become the engineering officer for the nuclear power plant to be placed in USS Seawolf (SSN 575), one of the first submarines to operate on atomic power. He assisted in setting up training for the enlisted men who would serve on Seawolf. During this time his father became very sick and died in July 1953. After his father's death in 1953, Carter resigned from the Navy to return to Georgia to manage the family interests. Carter was honorably discharged on 9 October 1953 at Headquarters, Third Naval District in New York City. On 7 December 1961, he transferred to the retired reserve with the rank of Lieutenant at his own request."
"wringing his hands in indecision, paralyzed by over-analysis."
Call me crazy, but I really don't think the U.S. Navy would give the captain's keys for a nuclear submarine to the person you described.
But I could see why Gopers would have distain for careful analysis given their history of nominating Reagan, Bush, Palin etc.
"After four years of malaise, Reagan helped turn around the U.S. economy."
Through free trade opened the flood gates to crappy foreign cars which was the death nail to Detroit because it allowed a huge cash influx to the Japanese auto makers for advanced research while draining research monies from the Big Three.
Pushed through tax cuts for the rich that ultimately led to the tremendous wealth disparities that currently exist. Before Reagan, disparities on this scale were formerly reserved for third world countries.
Come on CL, please don't fall for the MSM's mindless Reagan worship.
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