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Re: “Why we blocked the Downtown Connector

@ Mark from Atlanta
"It... was... a... joke.."

It is difficult to distinguish between your lame attempts at humor and your ignorance.

Posted by Burroughston Broch on 11/20/2014 at 9:14 PM

Re: “Development wants, development gets

@ Mark from Atlanta
"Detroit and Stockton's problems have little to do with government/developer relationships."

You mistook what I wrote or you decided to try to twist it to suit your progressive/far left/socialist leanings.

I wrote, "The politicians want an affluent city, not the next Detroit or Stockton." I did not state that developers were the cause of Detroit and Stockton's problems.

One of the major problems with both Detroit and Stockton was they spent more than their income, year after year. Had they had more income from tax revenues (read higher property values) they might have had a chance of not bankrupting. Had developers made some significant progress, tax revenues might have increased.

What would you have done to fix Detroit and Stockton?

Posted by Burroughston Broch on 11/20/2014 at 9:10 PM

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Just think what it would have been like if Wayne Mason had ended up with his towers on Piedmont Park.

Posted by Ldianne on 11/20/2014 at 7:35 PM

Re: “Why we blocked the Downtown Connector

"thanks to eric... the topic became... then thanks to you... the topic became..."
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You are seeing things that are not there (Eric) and not seeing things that are there (Wes) and you think Leery "should be seeing a team of therapists"?

Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 11/20/2014 at 6:58 PM

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Wasn't there a story on CL a year or two ago about a guy who bought a home on the belt line that he was going to rehab, and was running into all sorts of bureaucratic nonsense....

He rode a bike in a tutu or some shit, and wanted to be a rail road engineer....I wonder how it's going for him.

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Posted by The Truth on 11/20/2014 at 6:58 PM

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"...and for the record, rand and mcnally were two different people."
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What happened in the past year that dried up all the humour out of your life, buddy?

It... was... a... joke.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 11/20/2014 at 6:51 PM

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Grant, I'm gonna have to tell ya to blow it out your ass. There are people who lived there long before you did who would have been just fine and dandy had you not come in it their town and weirded it up.

While I applaud your initiative, and appreciate your business acumen and risk taking, your no different than any other capitalist. You saw an opportunity, you took a risk, and apparently timed it right, congrats.

That said, the same evolution you benefited from will not stop, and hopefully for you, Applebys will come and offer you 10 million for your concept, and only then we will see where your true loyalties lie....

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Posted by The Truth on 11/20/2014 at 6:42 PM

Re: “Development wants, development gets

I think it is premature to start panicking about the effects of urban renewal (I dislike the term gentrification) around the belt line.

Beltline is fantastic, and it is wonderful to live near it, but let us not forget that the Beford-Pine, which is probably the largest section 8 housing in the Southeast, is only a few blocks away, not to mention that Peachtree-Pine is right next door to Bedford-Pine. So a neighborhood like O4W still has ways to go before I would call it "gentrified".

Secondly, there are so many underutilized or blighted lots all over the city that, with proper planing, the current rate of infill can probably be sustained for another half a century (a recent study indicated that you can put a 100 million people in Atlanta before it reaches the density of many of the world's cities).

Sure, it is regrettable when artists are forced to move out of some neighborhood, or more accurately forced to move a few blocks away, but this is what we see in great U.S. cities, and there will be sometime before we can catch up with San Francisco on that front.

Still if Mr. Hall can figure out how to support some artist colonies around the beltline that would be pretty cool (I know that his years of Boulevard initiative has been effective in visibly reducing crime around that area).

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Posted by atlantan109 on 11/20/2014 at 6:34 PM

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Part of the problem is that Atlanta gives the local neighborhood associations say-so in rezoning and redevelopment, and artistic types do not tend to participate in those organizations. I was at the Poncey-Highland meeting on rezoning for the Masquerade last night, and I was the only one there arguing to "keep it weird." Result: rezoning was approved by the neighborhood by a vote of 18-3. If you want to stop this stuff you have to partipate at the local level.

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Posted by Bill Mitchell on 11/20/2014 at 4:35 PM

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These are the same negros who treat me like crap for not accepting group "wisdom," getting an education in something that involves creating things other than excuses.

Standing out in the middle of the highway as the human speed bump tells you all you need to know about their intellect, conception of manhood and problem-solving skills: nothing to note.

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Posted by whatever on 11/20/2014 at 3:26 PM

Re: “Stop parking in bike lanes, Atlanta

Well, at least if they decide to park in our lanes, we can prevent them from getting out! http://www.bicycling.com/news/advocacy/cyclist-blocks-car-beijing-bike-lane-becomes-internet-hero?adbid=535443737703235586&adbpl=tw&adbpr=17900130&cid=socBL_20141120_35900787

Posted by Nicole Isaac on 11/20/2014 at 1:30 PM

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Is it too much to ask that the city require something beyond $1500/month "mixed-use" apartment complexes? Something more affordable but dense? There's plenty of multi-family housing being built, but none of it has the working class in mind.

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Posted by Graybeard Lyles on 11/20/2014 at 12:51 PM

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"What do you expect? The government invests tax monies in developments and demands a higher tax return. That's why the relationship between government and developers exists. The politicians want an affluent city, not the next Detroit or Stockton."
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Stereotypical rightist hyperbole. Detroit and Stockton's problems have little to do with government/developer relationships. There are plenty of thriving cities where the developers do not have the politicians in their back pockets.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 11/20/2014 at 11:09 AM

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How many people got shot at this protest?

Posted by nmwander on 11/20/2014 at 9:43 AM

Re: “Why we blocked the Downtown Connector

Civil Disobediance.
Learned from those wonderful stories their hippie grandparents told them when they were little tykes.

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Posted by nmwander on 11/20/2014 at 9:41 AM

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I agree.
We should continue the centuries old tradition of allowing our inner cities to develop as festering hell-holes of poverty, pestilence, and poor education.
Gentrification is simply awful.

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Posted by nmwander on 11/20/2014 at 9:39 AM

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What up yall! I agree with the sentiments in the general sense but achieve optimum results we have to be a part of the solution. To that end, I am going to form a working group to figure a new strategy beyond the same ole "developers push out the creatives" paradigm that we see all over the world. I do believe that we can do it differently than we have been...unique, built with creatives as well as others in our workforce in mind, affordable and desirable, welcoming to all, transit oriented are thoughts that come to mind...Who wants to join me in a brainstorming session?

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Posted by Kwanza Hall on 11/20/2014 at 8:56 AM

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Jeremy A,
thanks for your perspective.
In 2010,
I was a "for tips" bartender
and local anti-artist
who fearfully opened a bar
in a space on Edgewood
that had been underutilized,
which was For Rent.
It was a stretch for me,
I risked my life,
every penny I didn't have
in order to manifest an authentic life
for me and my family.
My goal was not to gentrify Edgewood,
my goal was to pay my fucking rent
and not end up in a grocery cart
on Ponce de Leon Avenue.
There was no trolley,
there was no parking,
there were no taxis
on Edgewood in 2010.
It would be awesome
if property owners
all had in their mission statement
to keep the local creative flavor
when choosing tenants,
or in choosing who to sell to,
but impossible/ridiculous to police.
Business & Neighborhood Associations
can/do provide encouragement,
a multitude of resources,
and contacts to guide
positive change in Atlanta.
Peace.

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Posted by Grant Henry aka Sister Louisa on 11/20/2014 at 8:31 AM

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i feel like that speaker could fall on the drummer ! that happened once to my friend donny

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Posted by nohyphens on 11/20/2014 at 7:48 AM

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mark, what are you talking about? trying to regulate normal icons? i can't even tell if you're kidding.

let me slow it down for you: thanks to eric "leery negro" fifer's comments above, the topic became fifer's blackface negro routine, then thanks to your comments, the topic became the people who apologize for it.

try to keep up.

and for the record, rand and mcnally were two different people.

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Posted by wesleywhatwhat on 11/20/2014 at 6:39 AM

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