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Re: “Save WRFG

They have an animal rights show? I'm putting a stop on the check.

Just kidding...maybe....

Posted by oydave on 05/05/2015 at 7:31 AM

Re: “Save WRFG

WRFG also broadcasts an animal rights program. You definitely won't hear that on commercial stations that are funded by big ag and other companies that exploit animals. WRFG gives a voice to the voiceless - human and non-human. Truly a rare station. I donate regularly and hope others will too. Check out Second Opinion Animal Rights Radio on Wednesdays at 6 PM.

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Posted by Pey on 05/04/2015 at 4:56 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"1/2" of rain over a 1500SF roof will provide 900 gallons - not much for a month and a mere gesture if a garden must be watered.

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Are you kidding or are you so concerned with "scoring debate points" that you refuse to acknowledge reason? 900 gallons a month per house would greatly reduce any water bill, but would be particularly helpful in drought stricken Southern California during the dry months.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 1:58 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"'Do not cast your pearls...' When you run out of reasoned arguments you transfer to insults."
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Just as when the phrase was originally spoken, there was no insult intended. I was merely saying it would be a waste of time for me to explain how to address climate change to you if you refuse to recognize the science behind humankind's role to the phenomena. Really, what would be the point?

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 12:49 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"banning grey water use is not a bad thing. Owners who install grey water systems in buildings often bypass them after occupancy because they are a maintenance and operational headache."
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Shouldn't that be their decision to make? Dang, I thought you Rightists were all about less government intrusion.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"Reducing regulations is not deregulation. Deregulation is removing all regulations."
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"DEFINITION of 'Deregulation' The reduction or elimination of government power in a particular industry"

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deregu…

Now you are getting silly. In your mind seeking truth seems to be taking a back seat to "scoring points."

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 12:42 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"'Are you sure you're not a UGA booster?' - When you run out of reasoned arguments you transfer to insults."
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LOL. On reflection, I thought you might take that as the ultimate insult. That is why I almost immediately wrote:

"OK, I take back that part of my last post, my friend. I know we have had our share of disagreements, but I'm pretty sure you consider that hitting below the belt!"

Doesn't it get boring for you to be so predictable?

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 12:37 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

@ Mark from Atlanta
""Are you sure you're not a UGA booster?"
When you run out of reasoned arguments you transfer to insults. Typical Mark diversion tactic.

"Take 1/2" and multiply it by the square footage of the average roof then tell me it would not reduce water usage."
1/2" of rain over a 1500SF roof will provide 900 gallons - not much for a month and a mere gesture if a garden must be watered. And don't forget some water in the rain barrel evaporates every day.

"Do not cast your pearls...".
When you run out of reasoned arguments you transfer to insults. Typical Mark diversion tactic. Answer the question.

"Both are very labor intensive. "
The amount of labor involved is not relevant. As the cost of water increases, owners with landscapes will be incentivized to xeriscape.

"Look at #6, Broch: "Reduce regulations regarding use of grey water for landscaping, gardening etc. Many municipalities currently ban grey water use."."
Reducing regulations is not deregulation. Deregulation is removing all regulations.
And banning grey water use is not a bad thing. Owners who install grey water systems in buildings often bypass them after occupancy because they are a maintenance and operational headache. Owners who take grey water for cooling tower makeup frequently regret it and switch to potable municipal water.

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Posted by Burroughston Broch on 05/04/2015 at 11:38 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

"Are you sure you're not a UGA booster?"
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OK, I take back that part of my last post, my friend. I know we have had our share of disagreements, but I'm pretty sure you consider that hitting below the belt!

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 6:00 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

"They only get on average 13" of rain a year, and for 8 consecutive months of the year they average well less than 1" a month. Rain barrels are of little use during the 8 consecutive dry months April through November."
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Take 1/2" and multiply it by the square footage of the average roof then tell me it would not reduce water usage.

Geez, Broch - once again you seem intent on embarrassing your fellow Tech grads. Are you sure you're not a UGA booster?

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 5:55 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

"'Address climate change.' - Please be precise as to details."
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Be happy to, Broch if that means you have finally woken up in the 21st century and recognized the role of humankind in climate change. Otherwise, whats the point? Lets see, how does it go? "Do not cast your pearls..."

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 5:40 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

"'Property tax rebates for xeriscaping.' - Why? If an owner has enough money for landscaping they have enough to xeriscape."
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Both are very labor intensive. The point is in incentivize do-it-yourselfers as well as commercial property owners to meet California's drought (that was the point of Roger and mine's conversation).

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 5:28 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

"What deregulation?"
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Look at #6, Broch: "Reduce regulations regarding use of grey water for landscaping, gardening etc. Many municipalities currently ban grey water use."

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/04/2015 at 5:18 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

@ Mark from Atlanta
"Property tax rebates for xeriscaping."
Why? If an owner has enough money for landscaping they have enough to xeriscape. Besides, you want them to use grey water so why xeriscape?

"Free rain barrel instillation."
What rain? That's the problem - most of Southern CA is a desert. Take Santa Monica for instance. They only get on average 13" of rain a year, and for 8 consecutive months of the year they average well less than 1" a month. Rain barrels are of little use during the 8 consecutive dry months April through November.

"Address climate change."
Please be precise as to details.

"...it is a mix of regulation and deregulation..."
What deregulation?

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Posted by Burroughston Broch on 05/03/2015 at 3:08 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

"Mark, there is no perfect solution to this problem. Since you don't like my idea, what would be your green solution to achieve a 24% reduction in non-essential water use?"
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Actually, your idea of raising water rates is a good one, but being more proactive with the free "essential" amounts, such as for vegetable gardens etc.

Here are a few more ideas that should be implemented in California:

1. Stop having free government pickup of lawn refuse (this will encourage using leaves and grass as mulch).

2. Property tax rebates for xeriscaping.

3. Ban private swimming pools. Invest in public pools.

4. Free rain barrel instillation.

5. Small operation solar distillation of sea water in the coastal regions with local use of the water and the salt.

6. Reduce regulations regarding use of grey water for landscaping, gardening etc. Many municipalities currently ban grey water use.

7. Address climate change.

As you can see it is a mix of regulation and deregulation - in other words what works.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/03/2015 at 1:16 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

"Two problems with your suggestion:

1. The upper income folks will still be filling their swimming pools and watering their lawns every day.

2. The low and middle income folks who raise their own garden fresh vegetables would be out of luck."

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Mark, there is no perfect solution to this problem. Since you don't like my idea, what would be your green solution to achieve a 24% reduction in non-essential water use?

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Posted by Roger Jones on 05/03/2015 at 12:31 AM

Re: “Fast food fight

Oh good, you guys are still at it.

https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-…

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Posted by wesleywhatwhat on 05/02/2015 at 5:40 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"I wouldn’t be raising water fees on 'low-income folks'. Please look up the term non-essential. Each household, according to the number of people living there, would be allocated a certain number of essential gallons at the regular price. If they exceeded that amount the price would increase. This would be similar to a data plan on a cell phone. This method is much more efficient and cost effective than trying to catch someone watering their lawn and imposing a fine."
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Two problems with your suggestion:

1. The upper income folks will still be filling their swimming pools and watering their lawns every day.

2. The low and middle income folks who raise their own garden fresh vegetables would be out of luck.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/02/2015 at 2:24 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"Being 'a Green', doesn't that put you on the liberal side of the political spectrum?"
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The Greens are an extremely diverse group politically, which is reflected in their slogan: "Neither Left nor Right, but Forward." Consequently, I hesitate to speak for them, particularly because I do not agree with every single policy platform. However, I do agree with the core principle of the party which is geared toward a wholistic view of sustainability. While two mainstream parties recognize economic growth in terms of Gross Domestic Product and the Dow Jones, the Greens ask what kind of products are we producing. Do we really need more disposable plastic crap?

Which brings me to another reason why I like the Greens. Most of the ones I know really practice what they preach by embracing a lifestyle based on discipline. Most Repubs, Dems and Libertarians I know seem to engage in the kind of rampant consumerism that will leave few resources for future generations. They claim to love their children, but do not practice the self discipline to leave them a better world.

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Posted by Mark from Atlanta on 05/02/2015 at 2:19 PM

Re: “Fast food fight

"To paraphrase the great Will Rogers:

'I belong to no organized party - I am a Green.'"

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I too do not belong to an organized party. I believe, as the founding fathers did, that there should be no organized political parties. However, I do believe in the libertarian political philosophy.

Being "a Green", doesn't that put you on the liberal side of the political spectrum?

Posted by Roger Jones on 05/02/2015 at 1:31 PM

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