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Comment Archives: stories: A&E: Visual Arts

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

Little harsh, in'it?

Oh that's right...I DID say enjoy yourself.

Posted by oydave on 12/12/2013 at 7:33 PM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

Go to hell Kombo!

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Posted by countlear on 12/12/2013 at 3:05 PM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

"In response to Oydave's comment, "Look at the two pieces. Is the second a rip-off of the first?" The answer is no. the second one was made 2 YEARS earlier than the first, how could it be a rip off of the first?"

Ever since I was in kindergarten, the first is on the left and the second is on the right. Reread and reorient yourself.

An artist can always sue someone for this kind of thing but if you can't show actual financial harm, I don't know how far you'll get. Another choice is to raise hell on the interwebs. That shit never goes away and you can hound someone til the end of time!

It's a shame in this case, though. Maybe it's just because I know the alleged offender but, to me, the two works are so strikingly different, I can't work up any juice on this. If there was a face in the second piece...that's on the right, dude...then it would be outrageous. I don't see the paragraph analogy as legit. Visual art and literature are such different animals that you can't really compare elements like that. Of course, a lot of people feel differently so enjoy your outrage.

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Posted by oydave on 12/11/2013 at 8:30 PM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

Tons of Atlanta artists use colorful geometric shapes. But to copy the exact colors, the exact pattern the shapes are laid out in, the same spacial distribution and size of the shapes, the same inward curve at the top center. This is NOT "referencing" or an "homage" to another artist. When taking inspiration from another artist, you have to at least change the elements IN SOME WAY, that makes it a NEW piece, otherwise its just an exact copy of something. Like taking a paragraph out of another article, and inserting it in the middle of your own article, signed with your name.. I don't see how it could be any more obvious.

Posted by Austin Frantz on 12/11/2013 at 5:09 PM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

In response to Oydave's comment, "Look at the two pieces. Is the second a rip-off of the first?" The answer is no. the second one was made 2 YEARS earlier than the first, how could it be a rip off of the first?

Posted by Austin Frantz on 12/11/2013 at 4:55 PM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

I know Kombo. He's a stand up guy and would not use this element in a piece because he thought it would result in monetary advantage.

Look at the two pieces. Is the second a rip-off of the first?

If this is inappropriate, then 90% of hip hop is inappropriate...most of the blues. You can Biz Markie him, Honey, if you can show monetary loss...or you could be proud you have influenced the scene.

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Posted by oydave on 12/08/2013 at 8:13 PM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

Don't agree totally, although Jiha does have a point. But her use of the decorative edging is not original either and that is key. That is unbelievably important. She is a borrower herself, and I have pointed that out on Facebook - and she is entitled to do that. Then, her viewpoint about borrowing negates the function of art as a discussion, as a means of communication, and that is also key. If we followed Jiha's rule to the fullest extent, art making would not be possible.

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Posted by Rosabel Goodman-Everard on 12/05/2013 at 11:56 AM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

Oh! And, full disclosure, I make paintings w found photographs, often w permission, often not. As well as the appropriation of graphics, illustrations, animated characters, film stills, paintings and anything else that serves the piece. Which I believe in the end is a wholey unique and new object.

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Posted by Tommy Taylor on 12/05/2013 at 1:32 AM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

When I was younger, and still today, I loved listening to Public Ememy, the Beasty Boys, and a variety of other rap acts. When I was older I got into James Brown, and only then realized that his music was the basis for 90% of Hip Hop music. It was astonishing to me.... But it didn't make me appreciate the "knock offs "any less? No. Was it easier for them to borrow? Sure... Did they make something new? I think so.
I have done some murals in town... A more popular and a more prolific muralist's work has often been confused for mine. There is a striking similarity in our visual language and application. To be honest I think that my work may have influenced theirs..I can't really know if this is the case. But the thought of it was frustrating to me for a while.
This is an interesting debate.... How many Todd Murphy knock offs were there in Atlanta after his success in the late 90's? And some would argue that he himself was riffing on the Starns Twins work! Pink Floyd was influenced by Mikes Davis...the Beatles Helter Skelter was inspired by the Who, a much younger and lessor known band at the time. Pablo Picasso didn't invent cubism as many in the public think.

I was reading a book on Damien Hurst. There was a story about his "dot paintings" in which his assistant, who did all if the actual painting of these pieces, asked if she could have one. If you are not familiar with these paintings they are very straight forward and in my option a little dull. Honestly anyone with a compass, access to a Sherwin Williams and some patience could make them. The assistant asked if she could have one. SHE ASKED IF SHE COULD HAVE ONE OF THE PAINTINGS SHE MADE!!??? He said no. His reasoning was that it was worth too much money to give to her. This begs the question of what gives art it's value? Is it the idea? The hand that makes it? Is it the artist? Is it authorship? Or is it the buying public?

I love Jiha's work. She is one if the brightest talents in Atlanta and beyond. But I do not think it diminishes her work or reputation. Nor do I think that this artist borrowing/stealing of a phrase from one of her paintings is advancing their work inordinately. That said I do understand her frustration.

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Posted by Tommy Taylor on 12/05/2013 at 1:16 AM

Re: “Jiha Moon and Kombo Chapfika debate fair use

If you're going to "borrow", ask permission first. If you can't ask for permission, don't borrow it.

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Posted by allyanaz on 12/04/2013 at 8:47 PM

Re: “MOCA GA expands to show off the permanent collection

Dear Erin,

Who is Brewer ?

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Posted by lwc30326 on 11/30/2013 at 3:00 PM

Re: “South, dirty

Saw this exhibit over the weekend. Very intriguing work.

Posted by mattwest on 09/09/2013 at 3:13 PM

Re: “Photographer Oraien Catledge remembers Cabbagetown

I was raised in cabbagetown. We lived with my grandparents spergon & mary ashley ok Iswald st. I remember mr. Catledge. We always looked forward to seeing him and taking pictures. This was in the late 70's & early 80's. He took pictures of me Shannon Johnson and my friend maryann wilbanks. He also took pictures of my uncle Ronnie Ashley. Is it possible to find any of these pictures?
If so plz email me at shannonatkinson71@gmail.com
Thanks for sharing this.....

☆ shannon ☆

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Posted by shannon71 on 06/23/2013 at 10:12 PM

Re: “Two new arts centers for Atlanta on the Westside and in downtown

Su ch a blessing!!!

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Posted by William Jessie Jr. on 05/07/2013 at 2:31 PM

Re: “Design with the Other 90% hits home

Thanks for the review, I will be checking it out.

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Posted by mk777 on 03/06/2013 at 11:27 AM

Re: “MINT Gallery's Linearity forges connections through storytelling

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Posted by Lightnin' Ray Jackson on 02/28/2013 at 2:33 PM

Re: “Shadow Puppets explores the blurred edges of documentary

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Posted by Lightnin' Ray Jackson on 02/28/2013 at 2:25 PM

Re: “Sarah Emerson unearths troubling territory in Underland

Very nice design, i like the skull effect at the bottom. I have currently been experimenting with different types of crepe paper like these ( http://www.homecrafts.co.uk/products-Crepe… ) and hopefully can have a really nice design finished off some time soon. Will have to send it over when its done to see what you think of it.

xo Becca ox

Posted by xo Becca ox on 02/12/2013 at 5:18 AM

Re: “William Downs works In Unison with his peers

Curator led discussion/tour/talk with William Downs: Saturday, February 16, 12pm at Get This!

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Posted by Lloyd on 01/16/2013 at 4:38 PM

Re: “TindelMichi takes its Baptism by Fire

I love the artwork of TindelMichi!!!

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Posted by Tai "Upgrade" Rotan - @sonicUpgrade on 12/18/2012 at 1:34 PM

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