"Carter was an ensign when he joined USS Pomfret, was promoted to lieutenant junior grade while he was on board Pomfret, and was the same rank when he later left USS K1. He was not a senior officer on these ships."
He was Executive Officer on the K1. No matter what his rank that is a senior officer. Ask your submarine friends.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Fact: During this tour "he also qualified: 'Command of Submarine."
Once again, Mark, this was a requirement of a new lieutenant on a submarine. I took the time today to discuss this with two USN submariners, one a retired enlisted man and the other a lieutenant commander who left the Navy after his obligation was over. Both told me this independently:
1. It was unusual for a lieutenant commander to be skipper of a submarine. The usual minimum rank for command of a major vessel is commander - two ranks above Carter as a new lieutenant and one rank above lieutenant commander.
2. Being qualified "Command of Submarine" did not mean Carter was competent to take command. It meant he was instructed on the command structure and duties, and could take temporary command in an emergency if the skipper was incapacitated and if he was the senior officer on board, below the skipper.
It did not mean he was given the keys to a submarine - it would be years later and much experienced gained before that might have happened.
"Fact: There never has been remedial mathematics courses offered at Tech."
Carter took mathematics courses at Tech so he could enter the USNA. His high school education plus his year at Georgia Southwestern did not give him the necessary background for entry. You can call it whatever you like, but I call it remedial since he was remedying deficiencies in his academic training. It's similar to kids entering college today and having to spend the first year in remedial work until they can perform at the collegiate level.
"Fact: Carter served as a senior officer aboard the USS Pomfret and USS K1."
Carter was an ensign when he joined USS Pomfret, was promoted to lieutenant junior grade while he was on board Pomfret, and was the same rank when he later left USS K1. He was not a senior officer on these ships.
The politics and insults are your issue and I'll leave them to you.
"Might I suggest you start reading up on history of the Middle East starting circa 1953."
1953 is much too soon. You need to go back to at least 1921 when Churchill and his cohorts carved up the Middle East, and Reza Shah took control of what is now Iran after a coup e'tat.
Carter will share in the blame, along with many others.
It is OK, is it not, to have fond memories of John Rocker helping the Braves (despite disappointments with his off-the-field activities)?
Forgot to include the aforementioned post by the blogger, the infamous ATLMalcontent:
I don't often do it but sometimes I'll troll a bit. A local blogger tweeted last night about his post that said John Rocker's Twitter feed was pretty much what you'd expect it to be. Rocker replies to nearly everyone who contacts him and is unfiltered. He also mentioned that he now lives in Atlanta. I started chuckling to myself thinking about John Rocker on the Beltline. And I imagined him having a very deep understanding of the project and what it could do for city on various levels. Or just saying "Man, that's some liberal #%@$."
These people are digging their own graves. The reason they are paid so low is that their job requires zero skill. They will be replaced by machines (ordering kiosks, etc) or this argument will disappear because it is pointless.
If they get $15/hr, people who can pass drug tests, have degrees, etc. are going to take a lot of their jobs. Not saying that the people mentioned in this article are like that, but we've all been to fast food joints where half the staff is incompetent.
"If Iran becomes the major problem to the US as I fear it will, Carter will share part of the blame for his capitulation to the Ayatollah and mullahs."
Sorry Broch, though at times you may be a bright fellow you just lost major points in your understanding of geopolitics. Might I suggest you start reading up on history of the Middle East starting circa 1953.
"he global embrace of street art, which at its foundation, is an offshoot of hip-hop's graffiti roots, to the increased sponsorship by lifestyle brands eager to capitalize on the movement, to the increased mainstream awareness spawned by the likes of Jay-Z, "
So does that mean the 'art' will be mass marketed crap, whose main aesthetical principal is self-aggrandizement?
Yeah this is a head-scratcher but it kind of made my day.
so palin graduated from moscow, idaho's finest institute of higher learning?
a partial explanation for why she wanted to be able to see russia from alaska - she just missed her hard partying days in moscow?
Please take a look at http://www.SaveTheTed.org
"carter's problem is that the man is a saint."
That my be Carter's self-perception and yours. To me, he was an dithering, unsure, self-righteous bedwetter completely out of his league.
If Iran becomes the major problem to the US as I fear it will, Carter will share part of the blame for his capitulation to the Ayatollah and mullahs.
It's thrilling to see Broch bend over backwards to defend the academic pedigree of GWB and Palin while no doubt being one of the many who decried Obama's education as "elite" and "east coast" and proof of his inadequacy to lead.
It's sad. Your arguments are very poor. The world continues to pass you by at an increasing pace.
"No revisionism, just facts."
"Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine"
During this tour "he also qualified: 'Command of Submarine.'"
Carter was a " lieutenant and was in training on shore."
Carter served as a senior officer aboard the USS Pomfret and USS K1.
"Carter... dropped out of Georgia Southwestern College"
Carter transferred to Georgia Tech
"As far as Bush... he earned his degrees."
Bush barely graduated with a 2.35 gpa and by all accounts in a drunken stupor.
Carter "had to take remedial mathematics courses at Tech"
There never has been remedial mathematics courses offered at Tech.
Reagan and Palin's "Eureka College and the University of Iowa (sic) are academically strong institutions"
Eureka ranks 32nd out of Midwestern regional colleges. After bouncing around to five different schools in six years Palin graduated from the University of Idaho which ranks 88th of public schools.
"I see nothing to back up your claim that Carter is an intellectual giant compared to [Reagan, Bush and Palin]"
Reagan majored in sociology at a low-level liberal arts college and "did just well enough at Eureka College to keep his football scholarship" while Palin got her journalism degree from a mediocre university and refused to release her gpa (her Wasilla High School gpa was 2.2). Carter graduated in the top 7% from one of the nation's most rigorous military academies with a strong emphasis in engineering and physics.
"I see nothing..."
The first step in historic revisionism is blinding one's own self to reality.
carter's problem is that the man is a saint. saints don't make good presidents. assholes do. he simply wasn't able to bull his way, wheel and deal, and bargain like reagan was. it has nothing to do with his importance as a person; indeed, had he taken the same actions he did after his presidency without ever having been elected president, he would still widely be regarded as one of the world's greatest philanthropists.
"Eureka College and the University of Iowa are academically strong institutions, despite your disdain. Eureka College ranks #32 in the 2014 edition of Best Regional Colleges (Midwest). University of Idaho ranks #88 in Public National Universities."
Eureka ranks 32nd out of Midwestern regional colleges and University of Idaho ranks 88th out of public universities and you are comparing them to the Naval Academy in terms of academic rigor?
I'm sorry Broch, but it is getting harder and harder to take you seriously.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Broch, you keep throwing around facts without doing any real research. Yes, Carter was a Lt., but as someone who graduated in the top 10% at Annapolis he was on the fast track to command."
You post your emotional rants prepared with no research, I do the research and call out your more outrageous claims, and then you scramble to find something to back up your claim. That's the way it seems to work.
Carter graduated 59th in a class of 820, so he certainly was at the top of his class. But he should have done well since he was two years older than most of his classmates and had two years of college under his belt before entering USNA. He was bright and certainly on command track, but there were a lot of bright young men in the US Navy after WWII. His career accelerated when he became an acolyte of Hyman Rickover. As far as the course you mentioned, that was required of all officers who would be standing watch. Notice that the submarine's skipper was a lieutenant commander - two ranks ahead of Carter. Taking this required course qualified him to advance farther toward eventual command, but he had years of future training and two more promotions ahead before the Navy would have "given him the keys to a submarine", as you put it.
"To compare his academic and naval career to Reagan, Bush and Palin is a pathetic exercise in historic revisionism that does not do you justice."
No revisionism, just facts. See previous post.
@ Mark from Atlanta
"Remedial math at Tech is beginning calculus."
Calculus was not required for admission to USNA in 1943 when Carter entered. It was not required at Tech in 1943, and it was not required at Tech in the mid 1960s when I entered. Even MIT required only algebra, plane and solid geometry, and trigonometry in 1943.
"EC and UI are jokes and Bush slid through Yale and Harvard as the legacy of a multimillionaire alumnus"
Wrong yet again.
Eureka College and the University of Iowa are academically strong institutions, despite your disdain. Eureka College ranks #32 in the 2014 edition of Best Regional Colleges (Midwest). University of Idaho ranks #88 in Public National Universities. USNA ranks #12 in National Liberal Arts Colleges. As far as Bush, no doubt he got preferential treatment in entering Yale and Harvard but, once entered, he earned his degrees.
"Once again, you are mistaken. Carter was not deemed by the Navy as qualified to be captain of a submarine."
Broch, you keep throwing around facts without doing any real research. Yes, Carter was a Lt., but as someone who graduated in the top 10% at Annapolis he was on the fast track to command and indeed had met the qualifications:
"After K-1's commissioning on 10 November 1951, with LCDR Frank Andrews as its skipper, Carter served as Executive Officer, Engineering Officer, Operations Officer, Gunnery Officer and Electronics Repair Officer. During this tour he also qualified: 'Command of Submarine.'"
To compare his academic and naval career to Reagan, Bush and Palin is a pathetic exercise in historic revisionism that does not do you justice.
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