God is imaginary. Arguments based on what imaginary beings might or might not approve of are silly because one can imagine an imaginary being approving or disapproving of anything.
My teddy bear might support HB 87. But then again he might not. It's at that level, people.
We're on a cruise, but we're not REALLY on a cruise because we're doing it ironically. With tats. And indie music. That makes it subversive. You're welcome.
Oh, and it should be pointed out that 50 years ago, a very similar debate raged in this same part of the country and among many of the same factions.
It was believed with equal fervor--perhaps more--that imaginary god meant for the races to be segregated. Southern Baptist Jerry Falwell, like many other famous evangelists of his period, first came to fame and power by preaching what was known then as "segregation theology."Falwell said of the Supreme Court decision that desegregated our nation's schools: "If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God's word and had desired to do the Lord's will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line."
This echoed beliefs widely held among southern whites at the time, but this is of course now disregarded and their "preachings" about why the civil inequality of gays must be perpetuated are taken seriously in our national debate.
Race was once skilfully used to galvanize and fleece the sheeple on the religious right, just as sexuality is being used now.
As someone once said: "You know you've made god in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
"Which shows you have not actually read the Bible."
No. Please do not lie. I have read the bible and I am absolutely correct in my assertion that the bible instructs to kill unruly children and condones slavery.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 is one example among many where god instructs his followers on the appropriate way to eliminate unruly offspring:
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
Many passages in the bible--old and new testament--condone slavery. Imaginary god of the bible gives specific instructions on how to buy, sell and beat slaves. Exodus 21:20-21 is one example of imaginary god instructing his followers how to appropriately beat a slave: "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property"
As a non-Christian, I can say with moral clarity: Slavery is ALWAYS wrong. Killing your children is ALWAYS wrong. Beating a slave in any way is never appropriate or excusable because owning a slave ever, at any time and under any circumstances is never excusable.
As a Christian, you must hem and haw and say that at one time and under certain conditions, owning another human being and killing children was okay because that is what your god says in the bible. That is how evil religion is. How it warps your moral sense. You will begin excusing the murder of children in order to justify your condemnation of gays. Wretched.
It is impossible to be angry at something that doesn't exist. God is imaginary, so it's impossible to be angry at such. It's like saying I'm angry at unicorns.
I'm angry at stupid people who use their religion to withdraw the civil equality of a disfavored minority. Full stop.
"the scriptures were saying about slavery and look back at the original language of the text or about killing your children. "
More proof that religion fucks with people's brains and their sense of morality. Here you are excusing the murder of children and slavery. You are a moral relativist about child murder and slavery--acting as if they were excusable and explainable at one time--but a moral absolutist about two people of the same sex loving each other. You're crazy and repugnant in equal measure.
"The Bible specifically condemns homosexuality in BOTH Old AND New Testaments."
And the bible specifically allows for slavery in both old and new testaments. The bible gives instructions on how hard to beat your slave (As long as the slave doesn't die in one day, god is fine with severe beatings for slaves, apparently. Just so you know.)
The bible also says that unruly children should be killed. The bible also condemns divorce harshly. Evangelicals have a lot of trouble with that one: the divorce rate among evangelicals is far higher than it is among the general population. Interesting that they're so eager for OTHER people to follow the bible's supposed rules, but can't seem to follow them themselves.
And biblical scholars have raised serious questions about whether or not homosexuality is actually condemned in the bible AT ALL, but this is much too advanced a topic for most religitards as it involves issues of translation, an understanding of ancient cultures, and an understanding of how and when the books of the bible were written and how they came together as the bible.
"Everything you hate and everything that you see as stupid and unnecessary is no different and no better than the opposing side’s anger and hate towards you."
You miss the crucial difference. Our side does not seek to withdraw the civil equality of a disfavored minority based on belief in an imaginary sky-man. Our side does not seek to withdraw the civil equality of anyone. The symmetry you're trying to depict is not there. False equivalency.
"I'm sorry that somewhere in your past someone made an impact on you that made you such a hateful, self-loathing, retched person"
Er, someone sure has an angry, pissy attitude around here, casperi, but it ain't me.
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