Vox, I am not sure why you keep referring to drafts of documents that were rejected. It weakens your argument. As for the final paragraph of the the Declaration, I was actually not referring to the use of the term "Divine Providence" (there are so many different references to God in the Declaration, is difficult to keep track). I was referring instead to the statement that the Declaration was signed "in firm reliance on the protection of the Almighty." In other words, the motto of our Nation, IN GOD WE TRUST.
Pfiefer, I do not know you personally, do not wish to know you personally and have made no personal comments about you. You keep trying to make this discussion about me personally or what you perceive to my beliefs when you do not know me or what I believe.
I am also growing frustrated at having to repeatedly correct your mischaracterizations of my statements.
I am not sure why you are fixated on the Ten Commandments. I entered this thread stating simply that the the Ten Commandments were one of many religious and secular texts from which the Founders drew inspiration. I have never stated that American law is "based on the Ten Commandments," although in response to direct questions, I have pointed most of the Ten Commandments and most of those commandments dealing with behavior as opposed to thought were incorporated into early American law.
Mark, they were a mix of local, state and federal laws. Murder has always primarily been a state offense, although certain murders are federal offenses (e.g. assassinations). Adultery is primarily a state offense, although certain federal laws (e.g. military codes) deal with that subject. False swearing could be a federal, state or local offense, depending on the jurisdiction where the false oath is made. The Sabbath has been recognized throughout our history in federal, state and local law and is actually acknowledged in the Constitution as a day of rest for the President.
I fully understand the modern day opposition in some quarters to the so-called Blue laws and in particular laws regulating certain sexual behavior. I am not engaging in that debate. I am correcting misstatements of historical fact.
DannyG, in response to a question, I correctly stated that most of the Ten Commandments and almost all dealing with behavior, as opposed to thoughts, were codified in America's first laws. I am not trying to make any point other than to instruct you in historical fact.
Please read my posted comment. I did not state that the prohibitions against murder, stealing, adultery, etc. were "in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence." I stated that these prohibitions were included by the Founders in the earliest laws of the nation, and they were.
Both the Declaration of Idependence and Bill of Rights refer to a right to life and to property from which the laws against murder and stealing are derived. The Declaration makes clear that the right to life is God given.
The Constitution actually recognizes the Christian Sabbath (Sunday) as a day of rest for the President, stating that Sunday does not count as one of the ten days he is given to decide whether to veto a bill passed by Congress.
Pfiefer, like it or not, most of the Ten Commandments (and virtually all of the behavioral commandments) were incorporated into the founding laws of the country. Murder, stealing, adultery and false swearing were outlawed at the founding. So was profaning God's name and working on the Sabbath. Thoughts like coveting were not outlawed but the result -- stealing and adultery -- certainly were.
Mark from Atlanta, your tax dollars did not pay for the Foundations in American Law and Government display at the State Capitol. The documents were donated. Much of the art and artifacts displayed at the Capitol are donated. You should have read Wheatley's link to the actual article.
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