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      <![CDATA["Like Atlanta, northern Virginia and Washington, D.C., are currently developing and building streetcars to help solve their economic and transportation problems — problems that have been caused primarily by an overreliance on automobiles"<br>
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If you can show that Atlanta's economic problems are BEST solved by streetcars, I'm buying it 1000%<br>
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I am not quite sure the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of that argument, but I'm all ears. Let's see a business case that projects NPV against +10 years after the projected completion.
        
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      <![CDATA[The route chosen for the street car was a politcal decision that panders to the black community. It is never going to have enough riders to justify itself.
        
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      <![CDATA[Lets cut all the crap, the reason for the street car is simple, political pay back to the king family! Nothing more, nothing less.<br>
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Streetcars are a great idea, when they go some where people want to go!<br>
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      <![CDATA[I live in Portland's Pearl District and it's an amazing place. Great to see Atlanta getting it's feet wet with a streetcar project of it's own.
        
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      <![CDATA[Street cars, ok, but the route chosen for the fist venture, NO.<br>
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Similar to Marta, bad planning! <br>
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How about a street car that goes somewhere that people want to go?
        
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      <![CDATA[Streetcar is already accomplishing its intended purpose, more residential development is now being proposed on its route! Granted the proposal isn't acceptable in its current form due to the historic building but that's to be worked out.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think the streetcar that is planned is not in the right place. Run one up Peachtree from downtown to Buckhead, it would carry far more riders than the proposed route.
        
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      <![CDATA[still stupid to run a street car from CNN to King Center....<br>
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then again Atlanta has a Kwane Kilpatrick wanna-be as a mayor.....
        
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      <![CDATA[A quick page through these comments leads to the conclusion that some small minded people are filling the pages with a ping pong war of personal attacks.<br>
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Elevate it
        
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      <![CDATA["When I said "and support" I ws referring to density. I know it's difficult for someone at your level of retardtion to make that connection, but it was there.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ Pfeif - <br>
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"and after i goaded you, you finally got around to blathering about density of all things."<br>
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When I said "and support" I ws referring to density. I know it's difficult for someone at your level of retardtion to make that connection, but it was there.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Voxpopuli]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Sadly, like clockwork a murder and robbery illustrate why safety is the primary barrier towards economic development in the area of the streetcar is crime.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Darin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[The phases of the streetcar project are purely for the sake of the construction/utility relocation work schedule. The funding is for the entire loop, east and west of Peachtree.<br>
<a href="http://www.atlantadowntown.com/_files/docs/utility_relocation_fact_sheet.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.atlantadowntown.com/_files/docs&hellip;</a>
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:28:39 -0500</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[@InATL<br>
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Yes it is - but the C park section is Phase 3. <br>
Phase 1 and 2 are all on the east of Peachtree.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:59:19 -0500</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Centennial Park to the King Center is a lot farther than 9 blocks. But yes its not a long line, though as mentioned elsewhere it will tie into the Beltline and thus its storage facility under the highway will also service the Beltline.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:39:29 -0500</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[I'm curious, of all the proposed street car routes or of any route folks have mentioned which one has the highest density per mile in its service area? And i'm not counting the Peachtree Corridor because I do think much of that is duplicative of the MARTA rail plus its already a highly sought after corridor for development.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:35:37 -0500</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Much a do about nothing.<br>
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The initial phase looks like it will run around 9-10 blocks - I'm not totally sure that's worth hopping on and off too many times. or building too many developments.<br>
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Are all those people traveling this truncated corridor currently using cars?
        
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      <![CDATA[really there is no way in hell you've got the experience you claim when in this very thread you've said like six things which expose a massive lack of understanding as to how urban development works<br>
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unless you're a trust fund kid and your father gave you token roles that you can't screw up
        
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      <![CDATA["It's amazing how much extra work it requires to satisfy the requests of morons. To demonstrate, density"<br>
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i think you're getting massively confused here<br>
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you said this about o4w:  "It's demonstrable only in places that had the infrastructure and support in place pre-streetcar"<br>
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and i rebutted with this:  "can you demonstrate they they don't have this magical threshold of infrastructure"<br>
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and after i goaded you, you finally got around to blathering about density of all things.
        
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      <![CDATA["you can't demonstrate that edgewood/o4w doesn't have the infrastructure/connectivity for streetcar to stimulate development."<br>
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It's amazing how much extra work it requires to satisfy the requests of morons. To demonstrate, density in that particular area of the city is approx.
        
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      <![CDATA["Turner Field, and Vice, er... I mean Vine City, next to the Dome"<br>
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mega sports structures and public transit - exactly the same thing, because they are both publicly funded<br>
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"[Sarcasm]"<br>
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you used the wrong tag, should have used [Stupid]
        
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      <![CDATA["Have you ever been down to that area?"<br>
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this is all you've got left? most people know when to stop losing an argument.
        
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      <![CDATA[Expesive economic gambles have worked miracles for the poorer neighborhoods of Atlanta! Just look at Summerhill next to Turner Field, and Vice, er...
        
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      <![CDATA["90% of these commentors never have and never will ever live or work or play in these targeted areas. New restaurants and developments will be up within 5 yrs in this corridor?
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:22:19 -0500</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[A total waste of taxpayers money. Somebody is going to make an ass load of money.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:14:17 -0500</pubDate>
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