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And, while Bakker does argue that sin has consequences, damnation isn't one of them. The choices you make -- about abortions, adultery, homosexuality, whatever -- can affect your life, but that doesn't make you any less worthy of God's love.
Heinrich says the whole concept of "love the sinner, hate the sin," assumes an agreement on what actually constitutes sin. "It's cool that you accept homosexuals but my viewpoint is there's nothing wrong with being a homosexual. You're not sinning, and they shouldn't be saying you're doing anything wrong. Because to be told you're sinning is a way of trying to make you feel guilty for who you are. And that's totally what Christianity's about, guilt."
In fairness, not even Christians necessarily agree on what are or are not sins. Though many Christians classify homosexuality as a sin, a significant portion disagree. Bakker, though, goes a step farther. He says they shouldn't be making such classifications at all -- at least not collectively.
"It's an individual thing," he says. "If you think something's a sin, it's a sin. If you think something's wrong, it's wrong. We can't put everybody in this box. It's between you and Christ."
If there's anything truly revolutionary about Revolution's message, this may be it. That sins are not an agreed-upon list of rules as outlined in the Bible, but rather an understanding between each individual and God is an idea Bakker admits upsets many in more traditional churches who believe it gives people a license to sin. After all, if a doctor at an abortion clinic truly believes he's doing nothing wrong, by Bakker's logic, he's not. Right?
"I guess so," he concedes uncomfortably. "I guess if you don't know something's wrong, it wouldn't be wrong. I trust God that much in people's lives. Because I don't want to control people through legalism. I want to allow God to move in people's lives in a really special way.
"Physically, something happens when you accept Christ into your life," he continues. "You lose tendencies to do certain things. Now, you're not perfect overnight. You're not like, 'I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't lust, I don't masturbate -- life is perfect.' But those things become less and less important."
Bakker says that was the case for him: He found the desire to stop drinking only after he realized God loved him regardless. But he recognizes that with others it doesn't always work that way. "You're never free from the conflict of sin. There's always struggles, but you do have the forgiveness of God."
The assumption though is that God will guide people who accept Christ in the same direction he's guided Christians before them -- away from abortion or adultery or alcoholism. And Bakker takes an even bolder step in saying that, for some people, the path may be different.
As progressive as the idea sounds, it's not without problems. In fact, Revolution's parent ministry, SafeHouse, runs a "family resource center" intended to offer unwed pregnant women alternatives to abortions. "If they choose to get an abortion -- and this is what makes us totally different -- we'll go with them," says Pastor Phillip Bray. "We'll show love, acceptance and forgiveness." Forgiveness.
The fact that SafeHouse offers alternatives to abortions assumes a judgment about abortion. No matter how noble intentions may be, our actions are always defined by judgments.
Bakker though still insists that salvation has only one requirement: to accept that Jesus died on the cross for our sins -- whatever they may be -- and loves us unconditionally.
"It's not about judgmentalism, it's not about sin -- I don't even feel comfortable talking about those things. My thing is just to help people fall in love with Jesus. That's what my ministry's based on. Loving people, accepting people and allowing them to figure all these other things out on their own. That's what separates me from other ministers. I just want to show people who Christ really is. I believe he is the only answer."
But if Christ is the only answer, what happens to Bakker's message about open-mindedness? Isn't there something fundamentally incompatible about preaching acceptance and open-mindedness while simultaneously insisting that there's only one path to salvation?
"I don't think there's anything incompatible about it because I don't believe in other gods," Bakker says. "I'm not one of those guys who says there are different paths to different things. I'm not selling enlightenment. It would be great for me to go, 'We can both be right. My friend can be a Satanist and I can be a Christian and everything will be fine.' But that's not what I believe.
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